A 90-minute interview conducted at Mar-a-Lago on March 18 for Jonathan Karl’s forthcoming book, “Betrayal,” was shared with Axios, and it’s deeply troubling to hear a then-president defend a mob that wanted to kill his vice-president, but here we are. We’ve already learned that there is no bottom with former President Donald Trump, and he keeps confirming that.
During the deadly January 6 insurrection after the twice-impeached one-term president whipped a mob of his supporters into a frenzy, they stormed the U.S. Capitol with a gallows erected outside, chanting, “Hang Mike Pence!” But somehow, Trump defended them to Karl, saying they were “angry.” Trump also called their actions “common sense.”
“Were you worried about him during that siege? Were you worried about his safety?” Karl asked Trump.
“No, I thought he was well-protected, and I had heard that he was in good shape,” Trump said. “No. Because I had heard he was in very good shape. But, but, no, I think — ”
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“Because you heard those chants — that was terrible. I mean…,” Karl said.
Trump responded to say, “He could have — well, the people were very angry.”
Karl said, “They were saying ‘hang Mike Pence.'”
It’s all about him.
“Because it’s common sense, Jon. It’s common sense that you’re supposed to protect. How can you — if you know a vote is fraudulent, right? — how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?” Trump asked. “How can you do that? And I’m telling you: 50/50, it’s right down the middle for the top constitutional scholars when I speak to them. Anybody I spoke to — almost all of them at least pretty much agree, and some very much agree with me — because he’s passing on a vote that he knows is fraudulent.”
“How can you pass a vote that you know is fraudulent? Now, when I spoke to him, I really talked about all of the fraudulent things that happened during the election,” the former president insisted. “I didn’t talk about the main point, which is the legislatures did not approve — five states. The legislatures did not approve all of those changes that made the difference between a very easy win for me in the states, or a loss that was very close, because the losses were all very close.”
When I interviewed Trump for “Betrayal” and asked him about his supporters chanting “Hang Mike Pence”, he didn’t condemn them, he defended them. Here’s a clip from the interview. More audio from the genuinely shocking interview will air Sunday on @ThisWeekABC pic.twitter.com/MlnhTgw8Cu
— Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) November 12, 2021
I’m not sure how Trump supporters can defend the former president’s interview with Karl, but somehow they will. When Trump said, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters,” he wasn’t kidding.
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