Usha Vance was born in America to two parents who immigrated from India. Her husband has spent the past year and a half fighting to make that exact scenario illegal for future children, a contrast Barack Obama argued says plenty about the vice president’s own position on citizenship.
Speaking on his new eight-part podcast with Malcolm Gladwell, Reconstruction: The Unfinished Promise, Obama used that contradiction to launch into a broader conversation about the 14th Amendment and who gets counted as American.
“At least one of our major parties has been captured by politics that is not that subtle about suggesting that ‘we the people’ means a certain kind of people,” Obama said before turning to the current vice president.
“When you have the vice president — the current vice president — making a speech that is basically a blood-and-soil version of ‘We the people,’ that it matters who your parents were, how long they’ve been here, despite him being married to… a daughter of an immigrant himself, that echoes, then, ideas about who can be a citizen, who belongs, who gets to make decisions.”
President Obama takes a swipe at VP Vance.
“When you have the current Vice President making a speech that is basically a blood and soil version of We the People. That it matters who your parents were and how long they’ve been here despite him being married to a daughter of an… pic.twitter.com/96dpfO4xDY
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The remarks pointed back to comments Vance made last year when he rejected the idea that America is a “purely creedal nation.”
At the time, Vance said: “I think the people whose ancestors fought in the Civil War have a hell of a lot more claim over America than the people who say they don’t belong.”
His own family story has repeatedly highlighted that contradiction.
Usha and JD Vance married in an interfaith ceremony in Kentucky in 2014. She became an American citizen automatically at birth under the same constitutional protection the administration has spent its first term and a half trying to narrow.
Gladwell picked up the same thread and pushed it even further.
He described Vance’s marriage as a “lovely illustration” of how America has moved “from malice to hypocrisy.” His argument was that a century ago, a politician making this kind of case likely wouldn’t have been married to the daughter of immigrants at all. The politics, he suggested, haven’t disappeared. They’ve simply found a different way to present themselves.
Obama saw something slightly different.
“Listen, hypocrisy is progress,” he said. “Because it means that… you feel guilty enough to either lie to yourself or others. And that is better than not even thinking about the idea that maybe you’re doing something wrong.”
The debate over citizenship has also played out far beyond podcasts.
In January 2025, Trump signed an executive order attempting to end automatic birthright citizenship for children of undocumented immigrants and temporary visa holders, arguing the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment acts as a “magnet” for illegal immigration.
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